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A long struggle
Former Ward of the Crown critical of proposed settlement
Patricia Birch became a Ward of the Crown at age 10, and was in the care of the Children’s Aid Society (CAS) in the Guelph area until she turned 16. The CAS started a file on her when she was just four years old, and they shuffled her from one foster home to another through her formative years. She suffered physical, sexual and emotional abuse before and during her time as a Ward, ostensibly under the care and protection of the Ontario government. Those were incredibly difficult years for Ms. Birch. “It was really important that you didn’t get attached to anybody. They [CAS] didn’t want attachments formed. If I was with a family, and I was close to them, they would look at moving me to someplace else. That created heavy-duty issues of abandonment. When you move kids around a lot, they don’t form any sense of stability,” she says. When she was 16 years old, the CAS told her that she was now on her own. “They took me by the hand and put me on my own. There was never any encouragement to go further in school. I was to go to work and make it on my own. But I went to school. I worked full-time and I went to school.”
Patricia Birch, seen here during a dragon boat event in Wellington in 2016, was a Ward of the Crown when she was a child.
As a result of her experience, Ms. Birch decided to become a social worker. She actually worked for the CAS in Toronto for a few years, before that became too stressful and she moved on to other areas of social work. “I worked in shelters in Kitchener, so I could work with the children and their mothers going through this,” she says. Ms. Birch moved to the County 18 years ago and established a life here for herself. Around 2014, she became aware of a class action lawsuit against the Crown that alleged the Crown had failed in its duty to adequately care for its Wards. The central complaint was that the Crown did not inform its Wards that they had recourse the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board to seek compensation for any abuse they suffered. Such compensation could have been used to assist their recovery from abuse. This dereliction of duty by the Crown resulted in limitation periods expiring and critical pieces of evidence being lost, hampering any subsequent action by the Wards. The class action suit sought $100 million in compensation for Wards who were under care between January 1, 1966 and March 30, 2017, potentially encompassing tens of thousands of children. A proposed settlement was recently announced, and it is considerably smaller than what was sought. Pending approval of the court, the settlement is now $3,000 per Ward, with a maximum of $3,600. Ms. Birch says this is totally inadequate. “This is like putting a few pennies in your pocket. This is actually insulting,” she says. “I wanted financial compensation, or at least they’d give paid therapy. If you want to get specific counselling you have to pay for that, and I strongly feel we should be given a pass on that. If we want to go to a reputable therapist that works with people with PTSD, then we should have that. That’s what I hoped would come out of this whole thing, to get some benefits. As a survivor my life has been hard. I know I could have been great at many things, but I spent my entire life just surviving.”
For most of her life, Ms. Birch has felt that her voice has gone unheard. CAS staff did not believe her when she told them about the abuse she was enduring. She had hoped this settlement would have included an apology and acknowledgement from the Crown and the CAS, and the entire process has caused her to relive painful memories. “I can’t speak the legal jargon; I can only tell you this feels very unjust. After all of these years of terribly hard work to feel like a survivor, I feel like a victim again. Revictimized by this system. By the CAS, by the legal system and all of the perpetrators that abused me have all been brought front and centre once again. This class action lawsuit that I naively thought might bring justice has just taken me down a long road of scary memories, deep pain and suffering. For what? For $3,000? That is ridiculous and insulting. There has been no accountability here and no responsibility taken. They did not listen to us and they did not protect us then and they are not listening to us now,” she writes in a letter.
Having her voice heard is an essential part of Ms. Birch’s journey towards healing. “I want survivors to continue to fight on. This has affected my life from childhood, teenager, young adult, and as a senior. I am finally going on with my life. I turn 60 this year, and I’m going to finally move on. This is part of my way of healing. I had hoped the process with the class action would have been a healing process. For me, it’s been devastating. I just now want peace from this,” she says. Ms. Birch is finding some peace in her glass art work, and she is looking to the future. “I am going to enjoy life, do some travelling, or just hang out here in the County. It’s a great place to be. I’m glad this is where I ended up.”
I want to sue them for what happened to me and my family when they took my kids
When you search my name on YouTube, there is a NWO account that was made about me. The video the account made says that I am a child molester. For some, deflection is merely a coping mechanism to try and make sure people don’t think less of them. Russell Larabee AKA Russell Larabie is the face of the case for any homeless campaign in the City of Timmins. Russell is my uncle. Russell is deflecting. He want everyone to look at me instead of looking at the allegations that are being made against him. My mother and I went to Salvation Army yesterday and a lady who has known Russell for years said to my mother and I that he 15 years ago molested as 13 year old boy. A group home boy, and i filed a claim with the Criminal Injuries Com[pensation Board and names Russell because he molested me similar to how he did it to the boy but I was 18 instead of 13 or 15. Also, my mom tells me that Russell was molested by his own uncle and when he came over to my moms place to visit, from Timmins to Sudbury, and I was there and we told him I got compensation and when we told him the amount he said he would get more and he assumed that because and he said he was raped in foster care and he asked my mom in front of me if I was molested and he was assuming when he asked that he was assuming that I wasn’t molested and if I wasn’t and he was that he would get more and he was going to apply to the Board but shortly after the Board was removed by Doug Ford. Russell Larabee is the face of any homeless campaign in the City of Timmins. People say he likes being homeless but what they don’t realize is that there is a allegations out there that he molested as 13 year old boy. A group home boy. 15 years ago. Right here in Timmins. People think he likes being homeless. People think you always have friends when you are a drug addict or homeless. But thats not why he has no a apartment. Its because, if the allegations are true, its because he can use that apartment to lure child welfare group home boys to his apartment. These child molesters, i will tell you, When a criminal walks into a corner store, sometimes, those cameras, stop them from doing what they want to do. Same thing with the child molesters, they don’t go after reliable sources, no they go after unreliable source. Because they know, after they are done molesting the child, if police ever find out, the cops wont do anything BECAUSE the source is reliable. Most kids who age out of foster care, are homeless, on drugs, criminal, ect ect that is the complaint that we have is that CAS doesn’t do a good eneogh job making these kids reliable and productive members of society and the proof they dont do a good enough job turning the kids under their case into productive and reliable sources is the fact the majority of kids who age out arent a cop or a lawyer or a reporter for W5 no most are homeless, drug addict, mentally ill, criminal ect ect and so its easy to later on to not charge any person. The CAS like to get a kid, molest them, turn them into unproductive members and unreliable people and they do it in purpose so nobody will lay charges or believe. The cops don’t charge people often times and they say because the person is not a reliable source but CAS did that on purpose they turned them that way so nobody would believe it . Its simple. The cops say they wont charge because the person isn’t a reliable source but the problem is that CAS turned them that way and remember the majority of kids who age out of foster care are unproduced members of society. Do you think that’s a coincidence That the majority of kids who age out are unreliable sources and unproductive members of society? No its not. The CAS turn the kids that way to make it easy for the cops to not lay charges. Russell, when you google your own name, and find this post, tell our side of the story. The lady who my mother and I talked with yesterday outside the Salvation Army gave us the person first and last name of the alleged victim.
When you search my name on YouTube, there is a NWO account that was made about me. The video the account made says that I am a child molester. For some, deflection is merely a coping mechanism to try and make sure people don’t think less of them. Russell Larabee is the face of the case for any homeless campaign in the City of Timmins. Russell is my uncle. Russell is deflecting. He want everyone to look at me instead of looking at the allegations that are being made against him. My mother and I went to Salvation Army yesterday and a lady who has known Russell for years said to my mother and I that he 15 years ago molested as 13 year old boy. A group home boy, and i filed a claim with the Criminal Injuries Com[pensation Board and names Russell because he molested me similar to how he did it to the boy but I was 18 instead of 13 or 15. Also, my mom tells me that Russell was molested by his own uncle and when he came over to my moms place to visit, from Timmins to Sudbury, and I was there and we told him I got compensation and when we told him the amount he said he would get more and he assumed that because and he said he was raped in foster care and he asked my mom in front of me if I was molested and he was assuming when he asked that he was assuming that I wasn’t molested and if I wasn’t and he was that he would get more and he was going to apply to the Board but shortly after the Board was removed by Doug Ford. Russell Larabee is the face of any homeless campaign in the City of Timmins. People say he likes being homeless but what they don’t realize is that there is a allegations out there that he molested as 13 year old boy. A group home boy. 15 years ago. Right here in Timmins. People think he likes being homeless. People think you always have friends when you are a drug addict or homeless. But thats not why he has no a apartment. Its because, if the allegations are true, its because he can use that apartment to lure child welfare group home boys to his apartment. These child molesters, i will tell you, When a criminal walks into a corner store, sometimes, those cameras, stop them from doing what they want to do. Same thing with the child molesters, they don’t go after reliable sources, no they go after unreliable source. Because they know, after they are done molesting the child, if police ever find out, the cops wont do anything BECAUSE the source is reliable. Most kids who age out of foster care, are homeless, on drugs, criminal, ect ect that is the complaint that we have is that CAS doesn’t do a good eneogh job making these kids reliable and productive members of society and the proof they dont do a good enough job turning the kids under their case into productive and reliable sources is the fact the majority of kids who age out arent a cop or a lawyer or a reporter for W5 no most are homeless, drug addict, mentally ill, criminal ect ect and so its easy to later on to not charge any person. The CAS like to get a kid, molest them, turn them into unproductive members and unreliable people and they do it in purpose so nobody will lay charges or believe. The cops don’t charge people often times and they say because the person is not a reliable source but CAS did that on purpose they turned them that way so nobody would believe it . Its simple. The cops say they wont charge because the person isn’t a reliable source but the problem is that CAS turned them that way and remember the majority of kids who age out of foster care are unproduced members of society. Do you think that’s a coincidence That the majority of kids who age out are unreliable sources and unproductive members of society? No its not. The CAS turn the kids that way to make it easy for the cops to not lay charges. Russell, when you google your own name, and find this post, tell our side of the story. The lady who my mother and I talked with yesterday outside the Salvation Army gave us the person first and last name of the alleged victim.
When you search my name on YouTube, there is a NWO account that was made about me. The video the account made says that I am a child molester. For some, deflection is merely a coping mechanism to try and make sure people don’t think less of them. Russell Larabee is the face of the case for any homeless campaign in the City of Timmins. Russell is my uncle. Russell is deflecting. He want everyone to look at me instead of looking at the allegations that are being made against him. My mother and I went to Salvation Army yesterday and a lady who has known Russell for years said to my mother and I that he 15 years ago molested as 13 year old boy. A group home boy, and i filed a claim with the Criminal Injuries Com[pensation Board and names Russell because he molested me similar to how he did it to the boy but I was 18 instead of 13 or 15. Also, my mom tells me that Russell was molested by his own uncle and when he came over to my moms place to visit, from Timmins to Sudbury, and I was there and we told him I got compensation and when we told him the amount he said he would get more and he assumed that because and he said he was raped in foster care and he asked my mom in front of me if I was molested and he was assuming when he asked that he was assuming that I wasn’t molested and if I wasn’t and he was that he would get more and he was going to apply to the Board but shortly after the Board was removed by Doug Ford. Russell Larabee is the face of any homeless campaign in the City of Timmins. People say he likes being homeless but what they don’t realize is that there is a allegations out there that he molested as 13 year old boy. A group home boy. 15 years ago. Right here in Timmins. People think he likes being homeless. People think you always have friends when you are a drug addict or homeless. But thats not why he has no a apartment. Its because, if the allegations are true, its because he can use that apartment to lure child welfare group home boys to his apartment. These child molesters, i will tell you, When a criminal walks into a corner store, sometimes, those cameras, stop them from doing what they want to do. Same thing with the child molesters, they don’t go after reliable sources, no they go after unreliable source. Because they know, after they are done molesting the child, if police ever find out, the cops wont do anything BECAUSE the source is reliable. Most kids who age out of foster care, are homeless, on drugs, criminal, ect ect that is the complaint that we have is that CAS doesn’t do a good eneogh job making these kids reliable and productive members of society and the proof they dont do a good enough job turning the kids under their case into productive and reliable sources is the fact the majority of kids who age out arent a cop or a lawyer or a reporter for W5 no most are homeless, drug addict, mentally ill, criminal ect ect and so its easy to later on to not charge any person. The CAS like to get a kid, molest them, turn them into unproductive members and unreliable people and they do it in purpose so nobody will lay charges or believe. The cops don’t charge people often times and they say because the person is not a reliable source but CAS did that on purpose they turned them that way so nobody would believe it . Its simple. The cops say they wont charge because the person isn’t a reliable source but the problem is that CAS turned them that way and remember the majority of kids who age out of foster care are unproduced members of society. Do you think that’s a coincidence That the majority of kids who age out are unreliable sources and unproductive members of society? No its not. The CAS turn the kids that way to make it easy for the cops to not lay charges.
I’m the NWO. Thomas is related to Lucy Larabee of the City of Timmins / South Porcupine. Lucy Larabee is his grandmother. Lucy Larabee has 6 grandkids. Lucy Larabee loves Bingo.
THE NWO. I am the NWO. Thomas might not be related to Shania Twain in Timmins but he is related to Artistic director Jack Larabee of the band Jack and the Ripperz. He is also related to Russell Larabee AKA Larabie who is the poster boy for any homeless campaign in the City of Timmins. I have been investigating him and his family.
So my opinion is Andrew Martin was killed by another gang member. Maybe ? But to remember a group home staff say to me ” remember Andrew Martin? He’s going to grow up and become a gang member”.
When I aged out of foster care, 5 years later I saw my group home brother from a different mother on the news. He was advocating on behalf of his disabled child with his partner. I thought to myself ” Wow Andrew was really messed up as a child and it looks like he overcame those problems”. But now I read he is dead and it looks like he did the ultimate swirly to himself. Sad really. This all could have been prevented if only the system cared enough!
I lived in a Sudbury group home and he used to give himself a swirly and I appears that maybe he gave himself the ultimate swirly and the system never put anytime into helping him with this when he was a kid so he would grow out of that behavior.
Go Google “Andrew Martin Sudbury”. You will learn he is dead! He was a kid I lived with while a crown ward in Sudbury Ontario! It’s all CAS fault that he is dead.
I’ll share another experience/memory. I remember when I was aging out of foster care, I had this one worker drive me somewhere and while he was driving he was talking to me about another kid
( Andrew Martin) and the worker told me when Andrew Martin ages out he will become a gang member and nothing more. Well years later and Andrew Martin is dead. Some think he was killed ( He had the Support 81 image on his photo on Facebook) and some think he did the ultimate swirly. Andrew used to give himself a swirly all the time while living in the group home and while in the holding cell and at the time I just thought it was disgusting. But what did the staff think ? Did they even care ? Probably not. And people say they care about kids but if they did they would have tried to help him as a means to prevent this from happening so then his son won’t grow up without a biological father!!
I’ll share a experience I had while a crown ward in Sudbury Ontario! I lived in a group home and there was one kid and he would shit in the bathtub and I thought it was disgusting and that was it until later after I aged out of the system that it was a sign that the kid experienced sexual abuse and there was this one other kid and he would give himself a swirly and I just thought it was disgusting until he gave himself the ultimate swirly ( He killed himself ) he would do this while in a holding cell waiting for court and while living in a group home run by a
Karen Louma! This is disgusting that was just a kid who thought it was gross! I dint think that he was trying to kill himself. Did the staff try and address that issue with him at the time ? Probably not. And Andrew Martin is leaving behind two kids and people say they care about kids…this all could have been prevented but people are so fucking lazy and don’t care…it’s disgusting..
I read on the law firms website that the law firm lost its appeal! The lawfirm got an offer of up to $3,600 by Ontario and the lawfirm and the faces of the case wanted to accept it but 60 people objected and the judge heard them and agreed with them and made a decision that said the offer isn’t fair and instead of listening to the judge and going back and giving a counter offer that sought more compensation, they filed an appeal and they lost that appeal so now we are they have no choice but to try and get more through a settlement at mediation stage of litigation or take the cases to trial!
Hi, reading your story is like reading my own story. Even down to becoming a social worker.
I have 3 children I sheltered so much their life skills are lacking, I swore I would never fail them and I did. They have anxiety, lack confidence and and built such a loving, trusting open relationship with them. Until one day they saw that other people had whole families, step siblings/step parents.
I made my whole life about them and being a social worker. I had to make what happened to me growing up mean something, be for a reason and also not be a dead beat loser worker who did Jack poop to help.
They say you can’t form memories before 3. I later had memories confirmed that happened when I was 15 months old and 18 months old. Nightmare things no toddler should experience. My birth mother let him baby sit so she could party with her best friend… his wife. That was just the start of life long abuse.
I don’t enjoy relationships because I know I will do something to mess it up and sex is a whole other area.
I can’t afford therapy, not even for my kids. My PTSD is so bad, confounded by work trauma, I am not waiting for OFSP applications. Even though I went to school with a 2 year old and a 6 month old so I would never let down my kids. Now I’m a failure, something I fought 44 years not to be.
I want to Sue none of this $3000! Crap. I was a crown ward and “legally abondonned at 15 after a “failed adoption”’cuz trauma makes u a little nutty. $3000 felt like revictimization. Like you were just a number to us then and you are still just a number.
Any suggestions on how I Sue? I want to leave my kids something and I don’t have much gas left in the tank.
Themom.jt @ g mail .c o m for ideas suggestions. Let me be worth something still. I just want somebody to be my voice once in this life, like it means something to someone
Because no matter how safe and good the foster home is, at the end of the day, your only there for them until they are 18 or 21 and then they will have it hard because they had it so good. The real problem wasn’t you failing them. The problem is the government doesn’t pressure parents to get help before the kid turns 18.
A man and a woman can abuse a child and if a aunt or uncle or grandmother doesn’t step in, the government is forced to step in. But they do a horrible job. And not just that but all they do is apprehend the child and turn it into a job and don’t pressure to mandate the parents to get help. If the parents fight to get their kid back, they make you jump there hoops and pressure them to get help but if they are so unhealthy they actually don’t want their kids back, the government doesn’t try to pressure them.
Thomas I need to get in touch with you about your article the long struggle – my contact information is 7059571629 call or text – very important from Peterborough area willing to come to you to talk – I don’t do email
It’s not MY article. It’s just my comments on the story. I won’t be texting or calling you.
UP to $3,600 just feels wrong if you consider people were misled about what the case was about just to get people to join this stupid case. Ok!
I always thought the settlement would be something like : all applications received by the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board from all current crown wards and former crown wards all applications accepted and all limitation periods extended, and after the hearing seated or deny compensation.
If I read right, the law firm Koskie Minsky LLP never ever took a case to trial so IF they take this case trial it will be their first case taking to trial.
Please remember I thought I read Koskie Minsky LLP has never took a case to trial before and so if they don’t win this appeal and they don’t get a better offer and if they do take this case to trial remember this would be the law firms first time taking a case to trial.
There was a hearing and the judge made a decision and she agreed with the 60 people who objected. The lawyers don’t agree so they are appealing. I’m wondering, what happens if they don’t win this appeal? Will the lawyers actually take this to trial if the government doesn’t offer a better offer? I thought I read Koskie Minsky LLP never ever took a case to trial.
Update: the judge made decision and she said the offer wasn’t fair . The lawyers are now appealing. The lawyers think up to 3,600 is fair.
The Children’s Aid Society apprehend kids because of abuse and neglect and later never seek them compensation for that abuse. All they want to do is compensate for “ not being told about the board “ but won’t compensate for the abuse they experienced by mom and dad. It’s unfortunate.
The Children’s Aid Society apprehend kids because of abuse and neglect and later never seek them compensation for that abuse. All they want to do is compensate for “ not being told about the board “ but won’t compensate for the abuse they experienced by mom and dad.
If the government doesn’t want to give money for abuse that happened while in care can’t they give money for the abuse experienced before going into care ? Do you remember you apprehended these kids because of it ? You should give $3,600 for “ not being told about the board “ and $25,000 for the actual abuse. That would be the government giving in and validating and giving the victims a little of what they want. Not validating the abuse that happened while in care ( unless suing individually) and at the same time compensating for the abuse crown wards experienced before going into care.
It’s appalling that the government can create jobs for these social workers by apprehending us because we were neglect and abuse parents but can’t give $25,000 for that.
They don’t want to give any compensation for any abuse. They only want to give compensation for “ not being told about the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board “. The problem that is being over looked is that these kids came from abusive and neglectful parents. Do you remember it’s why you apprehended us? So why not just compensate for that and give them all $25,000 and then tell them “ if you were abused in care you can still sue “.
They say you can still sue if you accept this proposed settlement offer. The problem that is being overlooked is there are kids out there who were never abused in care so they can’t sue but they were abused by mom and dad and it can be impossible to sue them when they got no money themselves so I think this Ontario crown ward class action should have compensated them for not telling them about the board yes but also if the government dint want to compensate for abuse while in care they should at least compensate for abuse that happened before going into care. The government should give every class member $25,000 for just the abuse they experienced before going into care. Why is it ok to take a kid away because of neglect and abuse but it’s not ok to give them all $25,000 for that abuse ? It’s like the abuse and neglect we experienced only mattered when it came to apprehending us. $$$$$$$
Go read page 4: https://ontariocrownwardclassaction.ca/assets/proposed-settlement-agreement—crown-ward.pdf
It’s appalling that the face of the case is only getting $7,500! This is a link to the proposed settlement agreement: https://ontariocrownwardclassaction.ca/assets/proposed-settlement-agreement—crown-ward.pdf
Go read this proposed settlement agreement : https://ontariocrownwardclassaction.ca/assets/proposed-settlement-agreement—crown-ward.pdf
I just read the proposed settlement agreement, and it says that the face of the case only gets $12,500. Well Toni Grann gets $12,500 and Holly Papassay gets $7,500 and everyone else gets $3,600. The lawyers should work for less so the clients can get more.
There was actually supposed to be a rally yesterday but I don’t see any articles or photos or anything.
The lawyers misled its clients about what this case was about to get them to join. Who will sue for that ? Think about it….
I think I’m this case the lawyers misled their clients about what the case was about to get them to join.
The settlement should be: limitation periods extended for all applications and people get $15,000 to $30,000!
I lived in a Sudbury group home and 1 of the workers is now an offender and is now on the Sudbury Star as an offender against a female co – worker. His name is Dave Fagon. The lawyer in Thunder Bay who became an offender too and is no longer a lawyer and was handling this crown ward class action lawsuit with the Toronto law firm is unbelievable but true. The law firm convinced people the board wouldn’t extend their limitation periods when at the time they extended my application and it said on its website it did and you had to ask in writing ✍️ and explain why you dint file it sooner and in my application I explained that I dint know until Canada Court Watch told me.
I’m not the only person in my family who was in foster care. My grandmother put her own kids in care too. One killed himself and one is currently the poster boy of a homeless shelter in timmins called living space and he is currently homeless and is 60 years old and there is this covid virus and my grandmother and aunt tell my mom “ they are worried about him “ but that’s all they do they never and will never will complain with him to client relations of the hospital. I say that because my uncle tells my mom “ I went to the hospital but they don’t help”. Also when I went to the hospital I had a nurse breach his confidentiality by asking me if I was related to him and telling me “ he’s fucked up”. Between no support from the hospital and family never getting involved and becoming a advocate it’s not good I’ll tell you that.
Refuse this settlement and go to trial. Do it! It’s not like that’s not a option.
I honestly thought the original settlement would be “ before you couldn’t get the limitation period extended but now because of this settlement you now have it extended and the government would put away $15,000 to $30,000 away for each survivor. The lawyers are doing these class members wrong if they accept this settlement. They have the option of refusing it and going to trial!
Everyone should have got the same amount I got.
Everyone should have got the sane amount I got! I told people to go to the board (when it was around ) but people thought I dint know what I was talking about. The lawyers also convinced people that if they did that the board wouldn’t extend the two year limitation period even though the boards website said they do but you had to ask in writing and explain why you dint file the application sooner and in my application I just said I dint know about the board until now. I think the lawyers convinced people not to do that and convinced them that the board wouldn’t extend the limitation period and I always thought a settlement might be something like “ hey remember before you couldn’t go to the board because of limitation period not being extended ? Well the settlement is that all limitation periods are extended for all class members”.
I was compensated by the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board. That was in 2016. I used some of that compensation on private practice therapy bills, travel expenses to help me find my biological father, and housing.
I filed my application with the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board and shortly after this class action was filed. At the time, I wasn’t sure if I should’ve stayed with the class action or stick with my own application. A class member told me I’d get less if I dint join the class action. I ended up getting more though. The lawyers convinced people to stay with them. They convinced people that if they filed a application like I did that the limitation period wouldn’t be extended even if asked but they extended it for me.
There is a proposed rally outside Queens Park in Toronto on May 3, 2021 and it is being organized by Canada Court Watch. I personally won’t be attending due to my own fear of getting the virus and also due to the fact I was already compensated by the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board and people at the rally probably don’t want to see someone who was compensated so I won’t be attending but I encourage others to attend!
This proposed settlement is bad for people who lack evidence to sue later for the abuse and it’s not bad as much for the survivors who don’t lack evidence.
Canada Court Watch really needs to intervene and organize a rally outside Queens Park before the hearing on May 12, 2021 and if they don’t that won’t be good.
There is going to be a hearing and it’s on May 12, 2021.
People can object to this amount by filing out a paper. The deadline to send it to the lawyers is April 1, 2021 and that happens to be April Fools Day!!
I still can’t believe the offer is that low.
There are talks of a potential rally outside Queens Park in Toronto because Ford removed the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board. The proposed rally is for April 1, 2021. The deadline people have to object to the proposed settlement.
If they removed legal aid and duty counsel for criminals or people accused of crimes..
A lawyer should sue Ontario for removing the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board. That’s just as much as a human rights issue as the government removing legal aid and duty counsel for criminals or people accused of crimes..
Before when a lawyer was approached by a victim, and because it’s not what you know it’s not what you can prove, and when they couldn’t take the case they would suggest the Board. Now what are they going to suggest? That’s not right.
They claim that we were abused and neglected by mom and dad but can’t give $200,000 each for that abuse but can give that amount to foster parents?
It doesn’t seem right that former crown wards are eligible but current crown wards aren’t. WTF!!!
If I would have told people you’ll only get former crown wards to be eligible…
The government is going to save a lot of money if it doesn’t have to give any compensation to current crown wards from this settlement and also the amount of $3,600? WTF?
I meant to say current crown wards aren’t eligible.
Why aren’t kids ( current crown wards ) but former crown wards ( adults) are eligible? Doesn’t make sense. Doesn’t seem right. Doesn’t seem honest. It’s like the government convinced the lawyers and the face of the case to give it up and move on and they did that with money.
Why aren’t kids ( current crown wards ) but adults ( former crown wards) eligible yet when they first filed this case it was filed on behalf of both?
I see people complaining about the amount of $3,600 meanwhile I see nobody complaining about the fact that the proposed settlement doesn’t make current crown wards eligible. That says a lot.
There are two Facebook groups that people can join that are about objecting this proposed settlement offer.
I see people complaining about the fact that the proposed settlement offer is $3, 600 instead of at least $10,000 BUT I don’t see anyone complaining about the fact that kids aren’t eligible but adults are meaning current crown wards aren’t eligible but former crown wards are eligible. Also the people who are complaining are not familiar names to me, they are new names to me and all the familiar names old names aren’t complaining at all. Are they emmbarassed? They thought the lawyers had their backs more then what they actually did.
$ 3,600 is like giving maybe 4 months maximum amount of private practice therapy fees.
What was sought was $15,000 to $ 25,000 but remember and never forget it was supposed to include current crown wards and former crown wards and now in this settlement it says current crown wards wont be eligible.
Kids who are still kids right now are going to lose out on a benefit and that benefit is not being included in this settlement and nobody will complain yet people say they care about kids and would do something if kids needed them ?
It was important that not just former crown wards but current crown wards be included in the settlement.
This will do nothing for current crown wards if accepted as fair by the court.
The face of the case may have filed a class action lawsuit and it may have been on behalf of current and former crown wards and she did say proudly that it wasn’t just on behalf of former crown wards ( adults now) but also ( kids and youth still) current crown wards but understand that if you accept this offer it won’t be about what you filed it about in the first place and it will change and only be about people who are now adults and you won’t be doing anything for kids. Kids who are still kids.
They convinced the face of the case to move on and take their money and forget about continuing to fight. Fight for current crown wards to get at least $10,000 instead of $3,600.
The face of this case will get more then $3,600 ? How much more? I think considering the case settlement is less then hoped that they would work for less and donate to survivors so they can get more compensation.
How many people will file a objection form and send it to the law firm. Why is it the law firm and not the court?
Canada Court Watch might organize a rally outside Parliament Hill in Ottawa on the day of the hearing May 12, 2021. There are talking of what they call session advocates attend and have others show up.
There is talks about a potential rally outside Parliament Hill in Ottawa on May 12, 2021. The day of the hearing. The rally is to object the proposed settlement offer.
Super Man never made any money. Work for less guys.
I guess the law firm dint have our backs as much as we believed.
Will the face of the case or the lawyers work for less since current crown wards aren’t eligible and also the amount is low?
On February 18, 2021 the Toronto Star article published a story a updated story about this case and if you read it it says that current crown wards aren’t eligible yet when the case was first filed it was on their behalf too. Unbelievable. Unreal.
I guess you want to move on instead of fight to include them as eligible? Think about current crown wards.
So let me get this straight, current crown wards aren’t eligible but on March 24, 2014 at Queen’s Park you were proud to say it was on behalf of them too. Admit it your efforts weren’t that effective as they had hoped. Object this first proposed settlement offer. You can object right?
I always thought people need private practice and this was a chance that everyone can get ,25,000 and use it on private practice bill.
People need private practice because of experiences like the one I described and nobody helps body in family and community when the person complains to patient complaint process and nothing happens.
My uncle is currently the poster boy for Living Space. Living Space. Living Space wasn’t around when that incident I described. Living Space works with the homeless. It’s a homeless shelter or respite site or drop in that is downtown Timmins.
I was born in Timmins and when I aged out of foster care, I went to the Timmins hospital and seeked care for PTSD and when I was in the hospital a big male nurse asked me if I was related to “Russell” and when I said yes he replied ” he is fucked”. He must have seen my last name and recognized because he worked with my uncle and wanted to know if I was his nephew. My uncle is the poster boy of Living Space. Now how are we supposed to get help with that attitude? We could file a complaint with its complaint process but when we do we don’t have my uncles sisters or brothers or anyone helping and when nothing gets done and nobody gets help and people stay away it makes it hard to be a family.
I agree with this lady. They should make it where we can choose any private practice therapist and the therapist bills the system and the system pays it for life.
The thing is the criminal injuries compensation board awarded the maximum amount of $25,000. It’s not around anymore but that’s what should be awarded in this case. The government removed the criminal injuries compensation board and it’s not considered a human rights issue but if they removed legal aid or duty counsel for criminals or people accused of crimes it would probably be considered a big human rights issue… go figure..what’s next? The government removed the Board to justify giving less compensation. I think and im just giving a idea. I think the lawyers shouldn’t sell with this government and wait till June 2022 and hope the Liberals get power because I can see them bring the Board back. It will be a long wait and I know people do need money because of this pandemic but I think people should wait or at least consider what I’m saying.
Anyone who was sexually abused while in the care of the CAS should consider an Individual lawsuit.
It’s not easy after 20 years for some survivors or victims or what ever label they choose to use. Not everyone will who was abused prior to or while in foster care will be able to successfully sue even though they were abused. Remember it’s not what you know it’s what you can prove. $3,600 will do nothing for cases like that.
Your a lawyer and the hardest part of your job should be telling people who were abused that you can’t help them for any reason. Sometimes it’s not what you know it’s what you can prove.
Your a lawyer and you get people asking for your help every day and your forced to turn them down because it’s not what you know it’s what you can prove. This case was for them.
If current crown wards aren’t eligible, every taxpayer should complain and demand better for kids in foster care. It’s shocking that current crown wards aren’t eligible in this proposed settlement.
Current crown wards aren’t eligible. That feels wrong.
When they first filed this case, it was on behalf of CURRENT and former crown wards. In a Toronto Star article that was last posted, it says in the last sentence that current crown wards aren’t eligible. THAT is what I object. I object the fact that current crown wards aren’t included in the settlement. Current crown wards are eligible. That feels wrong since people said this was for them.
I feel the same way.
This seems like a political struggle. Maybe Wellington Home Hardware will tell us what to think.
Having experienced a similar life, I truly feel your frustration,disillusionment, and sadness, that our lives once again were torn apart for no good reason other than a law firm making potentially 5 million dollars. It wasn’t enough that we trusted the system to act in the absence of our parents, providing security, safety, stability and the possibility of helping with higher education, counselling as many families would. For many crown wards it was important that finally there would be accountability and that the government and the CAS would take responsible for the dismally inadequate system that allowed criminals to rape, assault and emotionally destroy children. Children who never had a voice and as adults still don’t.
The face of the case also how much do they get from this deal ?